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This page only deals with the deletion and renaming of stub types, which consist of a template and a category, and are intended to be used for sorting stubs. Stub templates that are missing categories and stub categories without associated templates are also appropriate here. All other templates or categories nominated for deletion or renaming have to be put on Templates for discussion or Categories for discussion, respectively.
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About this page
This page is for the proposal, discussion, and voting on deletion or renaming of stub categories, stub templates, and stub redirects. Centralizing the vote on these three closely related matters on one page reduces the need for repeating identical arguments on several different Wikipedia deletion pages (Wikipedia:Categories for discussion, Wikipedia:Templates for deletion, and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion) and also reduces the workload on those pages.
This page is still named "Stub types for deletion" for two reasons. Firstly, many of the stub types brought here arrive here after rudimentary discussion has already taken place at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries. Secondly, renaming automatically implies some form of deletion. The renaming of a stub category leads to the replacement and deletion of the older category, and the renaming of a stub template usually (but not always) leads to the deletion of the previous template name, as stub template redirects are rarely used (for the reasons for this, see the stub naming conventions).
Putting a stub type on Stub types for deletion (SfD), and what happens afterwards
- Mark the affected pages:
- For deletion:
- For renaming:
- Put {{sfr-t|New-name}} (parameter optional) on stub templates
- Put {{sfr-c|New name}} (parameter optional) on stub categories
- Put {{sfr-r|New name}} (parameter optional) on stub redirects (Redirects should be nominated for renaming only as part of a mass renaming that includes templates that share the name element to be renamed that the redirect uses.)
- List the stub type below in a new subsection at the top of the section which has the current date. If that section does not yet exist, create it.
- Mention all affected pages in the subheading, like this:
==== {{tl|banana stub}} / [[:Category:Banana stubs]] / {{tl|YellowCurvyFruit-stub}} (redirect) ==== - Also mention how many articles currently use the template, and if it is listed anywhere else.
- Of course, state your reason for nominating the stub type!
- Mention all affected pages in the subheading, like this:
- It is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors to the stub that you are nominating the stub. To find the main contributors, look in the page history or talk page of the stub. Some standard pre-formed notices are {{sfdnotify1}}, {{sfdnotify2}}, or {{sfd-notice}}.
- After a voting period of seven days, action will be taken if there is consensus on the fate of the stub type. Please do not act before this period is over.
- Archived discussions are logged here, and are marked with {{sfd top}} and {{sfd bottom}}, indicating whether category and template were renamed, deleted, or no action taken.
Putting {{sfd-r}} or {{sfr-r}} on redirects
Given that the {{sfd-r}} and {{sfr-r}} templates break redirection, it is necessary to change a stub redirect when adding the template, as follows:
#Redirect [[Template:Example-stub]] should be changed to:
{{sfd-r}}{{Example-stub}}
Possible reasons for the deletion of a stub type
- It is not used in any article, and its category is empty.
- It overlaps with other stub types, or duplicates them outright.
- Its scope is too limited - As a rule of thumb, there should be at least 50 existing appropriate stub articles, 30 if there is a specific associated WikiProject.
- Its scope is too ambiguous or vague - in these cases, renaming may be more appropriate than outright deletion.
- The stub category or template is misnamed. In this case, make this clear when nominating and propose a new category or template name. Note that - in the case of a template but not a category - it may be more appropriate to make it into a redirect.
- They are malformed, misnamed, or deprecated redirects. See the stub naming guidelines for details on how stubs are named.
What this page is not for
- Stub templates that were not approved by the WikiProject and/or created through the proposal process (unless other reasons apply) — list those on Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries. From there, they may later be taken to this page
- Patently nonsensical or insulting stub types — they may be speedily deleted.
- Empty categories with no corresponding template — they may be speedily deleted (after 4 days, as per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion (WP:CSD) criterion C1).
- Recently created stub types not used on any articles — they may be speedily deleted (after 4 days, as per WP:CSD criterion C1). This does not apply to types properly proposed and accepted which have not yet been populated.
- Malformed stub types to which no further deletion reasons apply — fix them or tell the Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting.
- Stub categories that are too large — these are not deleted, even if they get subdivided.
Typical opinion options
- Keep (do not delete or modify)
- Delete (delete template and category)
- Merge with xx-stub (delete category, keep template (either as redirect to, or feeding into the same category as, xx-stub))
- Merge with xx-stub without redirect (delete category and template, put xx-stub on all articles that use it)
- Upmerge (merge to parent stub type, typically by keeping the template but redirecting it to the parent stub category for potential re-splitting later)
- Change scope (reword the template, typically giving it either a larger or more precise scope. Usually also means renaming the category)
When expressing an opinion, please try to give a more substantial reason than simply "I like it/find it useful" or "I dislike it/don't find it useful".
Renaming options
- Rename/Support
- (for templates: move to new name, replace existing usages, delete redirect);
- (for categories: recreate category page under new name, repopulate, delete old category).
- Rename, keep redirect/Move (for templates only: move, but don't replace usages of existing template)
- Oppose (no move of template, and/or deletion and recreation of category)
- DO NOT rename any stub type that has been nominated here while discussion is still in progress. Any necessary renaming will be done when the discussion is closed.
- If you wish to argue for the deletion of a template or category nominated for renaming, please re-tag with {{sfd-t}}/{{sfd-c}}, and note the date of doing so, so as to ensure proper consideration of this new nomination.
If a template is speedily renamed, similarly re-tag the resultant redirect if deletion of that is desired.
Note to non-administrators
If a category and/or stub deletion is agreed upon and you're helping to change the stubs on those pages: Once you've emptied the category, please note the category on this page under the "To Delete" section that the stub category section is empty ("orphaned") and "ready to be deleted" to the administrators.
Listings
September 1
{{PL-stub}} / {{Prog-lang-stub}}
Unproposed stub which defies the naming conventions for stub templates. PL could stand for any of dozens of things, of which Poland would seem the most likely by some distance. It is, however, for computer programming language. The template certainly seems useful enough, and its associated category (which also needs renaming from the plural to the singular as Cat:Programming language topic stubs) is full enough. Rename, but do not keep the current name as a redirect. Grutness...wha? 23:47, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- I've renamed it to {{Prog-lang-stub}}, which is probably sufficiently explicit give how the other stubs in Category:Computer science stub templates are named. You'll probably need to use a script to fix all uses if you delete the redirect though. No objection to renaming the category. Pcap ping 23:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- I wish you'd read the note at the top of the page which says "DO NOT rename any stub type that has been nominated here while discussion is still in progress. Any necessary renaming will be done when the discussion is closed." Prog-lang-stub is an equally bad name, since this is a computing-based stub - not a linguistics one, and lang-stub types are all for linguistics stubs (also, prog could be progressive, computer program, television programme, or any of several other things). I've added the new name to the nomination - it should also be deleted and renamed once a rename to a more appropriate name has been discussed, and not before. Grutness...wha? 03:37, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
- Rename to {{proglang-stub}}, and delete redirects. I believe that the claim that "prog" has other meanings is irrelevant, since none of them have anything called "language". However, "lang-stub" isn't a natural component, since a programming language isn't really a language. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
- Rename to "prog-lang-stub". This name is quite natural to use and I don't find any of the names it could supposedly be confused for to be at all plausible. --Cybercobra (talk) 12:50, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Category:Computer language stubs
- The following - up to the dividing line - is from the listing at WP:CFD.
- Category:Computer language stubs - (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Since we don't have an article on "computer language" for almost a year now, I propose this category be deleted. The only reason I'm doing this busy work rater than redirecting {{compu-lang-stub}} to {{PL-stub}} is that an administrator thinks it is necessary and undid my redirect although he has no comment on content of my action, only the form thereof. Pcap ping 10:49, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Delete the category and Redirect the stub. "Computer language" = "Programming language", the two are synonyms, having parallel stub templates and categories is duplicative and unnecessary. --Cybercobra (talk) 11:13, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. Looks like uncontroversial maintenance to me. — Miym (talk) 11:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I think the stub and category where originally named "computer language" so they could include languages which where not specifically designed for use as programming languages (e.g. PostScript, XML and friends). It might still be useful to use a somewhat more generic name for this reason, but may also be over-generification, as I suspect a vast majority of these stubs are indeed only related to programming concepts. —Ruud 11:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Close - and relist at WP:SFD. Otto4711 (talk) 12:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Merge into the Cat:Programming language topic stubs listed immediately above. Grutness...wha? 00:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
August 31
Category:Playwright stubs
Rename - to Category:Dramatist and playwright stubs to match parent Category:Dramatists and playwrights. Otto4711 (talk) 15:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
August 27
Cat:Bay of Plenty geography stubs → Cat:Bay of Plenty Region geography stubs
Rename in line with other New Zealand region categories, dependent on result of ongoing discussion at CFD. Grutness...wha? 01:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- propse following name of parent after outcome of CFD (don't really want this changing if some good reason not to change parent comes up at CFD) Waacstats (talk) 07:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
- update - the relevant permcat has been renamed to Cat:Bay of Plenty Region. Grutness...wha? 01:00, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
August 25
{{Chinese-food-stub}}
Moved over from WSS/D - used on 3 articles better covered by {{China-cuisine-stub}}. Waacstats (talk) 21:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
- delete, failing that redirect. Name is clearly non-standard, but not as badly so as many of the others listed below. Grutness...wha? 23:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
{{Kwaito-album-stub}}
Moved from WSS/D - used on 16 articles and no category covered by by date subcats of Cat:Hip hop album stubs. Waacstats (talk) 21:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
- Delete - no equivalent permcat as far as I can tell, and already covered elsewhere. Grutness...wha? 23:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
{{Catholic-school-stub}}
Moved from WSS/D - no stub cat, used on 2 articles and schools stubs are generally split by location. Waacstats (talk) 21:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
- Delete, though it's worth pointing out that we do have {{Seminary-stub}}. Despite that, splitting by type of school at a secondary level is probably not the best way to go. Grutness...wha? 23:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
{{wales-music-stub}}
Moved from WSS/D - 1 use, no category not a split we have done elsewhere. Waacstats (talk) 21:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
{{UFO-stub}}
Moved from WSS/D - 2 uses, no category, articles can be covered by other stub tags. Waacstats (talk) 21:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
- upmerge to Cat:Paranormal stubs, which currently houses a dozen or so UFO articles (in a secret aircraft hanger in New Mexico) Grutness...wha? 23:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
{{Pacificnorthwest-stub}}
Moved from WSS/D - 0 uses, no category we don't have any other templates for parts of two countries. Waacstats (talk) 21:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
{{NorthDakota-county-route-stub}}
Moved from WSS/D - 1 use, no category, already covered by {{NorthDakota-road-stub}}. Waacstats (talk) 21:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
{{India-china-stub}}
Moved from WSS/D - 0 uses, no category, a bio cat in heavy disguise. Waacstats (talk) 21:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Glad you told me that it was a bio type - it's hardly clearly named... Grutness...wha? 23:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
{{U.S. Virgin Islands-road-stub}}
Moved from WSS/D - plenty of uses but, already covered by the correctly named {{USVirginIslands-road-stub}}. Waacstats (talk) 21:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
{{State Legislatures Stub}}
Moved from WSS/D - 0 uses, no category, incorrectly formed. Waacstats (talk) 21:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, though a proposal for a properly formulated stub type of this kind may be worth considering (US-state-gov-stub or similar). Grutness...wha? 23:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
{{NarutoEpisodeStub}}
Moved from WSS/D - 0 uses, upmerged but incorrectly formed. Waacstats (talk) 21:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Old business
August 23
{{Regent Park-stub}}
{{Lung-stub}}
{{HBO-stub}}
{{CSI-tv-stub}}
Cat:The Sims stubs / {{Sims-stub}}
Any rerason why this was speedily deleted rather than waiting for the full nomination period? No personal objections (I'd have said delete), but it's a little irregular. Grutness...wha? 22:37, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Cat:Inheritance Trilogy stubs/{{InheritanceTrilogy-stub}}
Cat:Freemasonry stubs/{{Freemasonry-stub}}
August 20
Cat:First aid stubs/{{FirstAid-stub}}
Empty stub categories
- Cat:Swaminarayan Stubs (see Template:Swaminarayan-stub)
- Cat:Napoleonic Wars (1792-1815) stubs (category redirect to Cat:Great French War stubs)
- Cat:Croatia building and structure stubs
- Cat:Gardening stubs (category redirect to Cat:Horticulture and gardening)
- Cat:A Series of Unfortunate Events stubs (category redirect to Cat:Lemony Snicket stubs)
- Cat:Percy Jackson stubs/{{Percy-jackson-stub}}
speedily deleted. –xenotalk 14:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC) - Cat:African academic biography stubs/{{Africa-academic-bio-stub}}(template is trancsluded in 1 page, which appears to be upmerged)
I propose deleting these empty categories and templates. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- Bit of a trainwreck developing here... These are different cases and need to be treated separately:
- Swaminarayan Stubs - unproposed, miscapitalised, no template, already covered by Hindu-stub. Delete
- Percy Jackson stubs - unproposed, badly-named template, misnamed category (equivalent permcat is at Cat:Percy Jackson and the Olympians), and too narrow a subject (permcat has only 18 articles... chances are that fewer than 60 of them are stubs). Delete
- Category redirects should never exist for stub categories (there's no need for them since stub categories are always populated by templates). However, their existence is often a warning of deeper problems. In two of these cases, a stub category has been renamed without proposal, so deletion isn't the primary option here; discussion on which is the correct name is. Relist for discussion. The third (the Napoleonic one) was renamed after discusssion at WPSS and can be speedily deleted.
- Croatia B&S stubs
can possibly be populated. There are currently some 48 stubs marked with croatia-struct-stub - finding another twelve seems possible. Either populate or reupmerge (yeah, I know, upmerge sounds odd for an empty category, but the equivalent template exists and is in use)delete per Waacstats' comments. Good catch WS. - African academic biography stubs is unproposed, but not too silly an idea, given that the main way of splitting academics is by nationality. As such, this could be a useful holding category for academics from the various african countries which have not yet got separate categories (all of them!). However, the usual principle with current stub-sorting is to have templates for individual countries, not continents, so this may be a case of fill the category using appropriate nation-specific templates, delete the continent-wide template.
- Grutness...wha? 23:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC) (amended 22:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC))
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- Swaminarayan Stubs - delete we don't split Hindism by sects
- Napolenic wars (1792-1815) stubs - I remember sme discussion on this and trust G's memory/looking up so speedy delete
- Croaita building and structure stubs - delete as misnamed Cat:Croatian building and structure stubs already has 80+ articles
- Gardening stubs - redirecting to a perm cat therefore delete and we already have horticulture stubs
- A Series of Unfortunate Events stubs - I'd say delete and nominate the Lemont Snicket cat for deletion as well.
- Percy Jackson stubs -delete as small and unlikely to grow
- African academic biography stubs - I'll look at populating this week if time arises before any deletion.
- Hope that covers them all. Waacstats (talk) 08:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
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- FYI the inappropriately capitalized Swaminarayan was populated by Template:Swaminarayan-stub. Not empty, and I've "fixed" it for now, rather than create the proper-capitalized category if its just going to be deleted. –xenotalk 15:32, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
August 19
{{Balearics-geo-stub}}
Unused. Redundant to {{Balearics-stub}}? PC78 (talk) 10:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Strong (possibly speedy) keep. It's definitely not redundant to Balearics-stub - everywhere which has a standard stub also has a geo-stub. Also, when last checked, this had over 40 articles. Someone appears to have removed it from all the articles which were using it. I've started to repopulate it. Grutness...wha? 00:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- {{Balearics-geo-stub}} is back on the 51 geographical stubs it should have been on, leaving the plain {{Balearics-stub}} on the remaining 12 articles in the category. Grutness...wha? 01:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- A -geo-stub is different to -stub if we delete this geo stub the articles would require a balearics-stub and a spain-geo-stub, much simpler to have one template. so Keep. Waacstats (talk) 08:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- Keep - even if unused, it's a template for a likely intersection of 2 parent stub categories. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:34, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Cat:Bosniak people stubs
Given that we don't split people by subnational entity, and that this is a stub category without a template and the fact that it is likely to cause disruption I propose this be deleted. Waacstats (talk) 08:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- delete per nom. Grutness...wha? 00:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- merge to Category:Bosniaks and rename Category:Bosniaks to Category:Bosniak people per Category:People by ethnicity PRODUCER (talk) 23:00, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Cat:Livonian people stubs \ {{Livonia-bio-stub}}
Used on only 1 article, we don't split by subnational entity and we have other template that can cover this person therefore I propose this be deleted. Waacstats (talk) 08:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
To orphan
Stub types in this section have been deemed deletable and have to be removed from all articles using them, so that they can be deleted.
May 26
Cat:Water stubs
{{Water-stub}}
Cat:Video technology stubs
To delete
Stub types in this section have been orphaned and can be deleted.
Listings to log
Stub types with completed discussions which have not yet been logged; remove from this page entirely when logged. Anyone can do this, not just an admin; please see the directions at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log.


