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Unknown cloud formations

Hi!
I was hoping that someone from this project will be able to identify the clouds in this dramatic formation. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by Fir0002 (talk) 07:01, July 2 2008 (UTC), comment signed by IRP ☎ 19:38, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I would say that it's a roll cloud, but it looks just like a Morning Glory cloud, except dark, with dark clouds behind it. -- IRP ☎ 19:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
You may also be interested in this, and some of its related videos. -- IRP ☎ 19:32, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your help, I think it's probably actually a shelf cloud from the Arcus cloud article as it has a turbulent underside. Thanks again, --Fir0002 00:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Unknown cloud formation

Rename proposal for the lists of basic topics

This project's subject has a page in the set of Lists of basic topics.

See the proposal at the Village pump to change the names of all those pages.

The Transhumanist    10:13, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

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Template

I deleted Template:Average and record temperatures per TfD consensus. Can an editor who knows how to use {{Infobox Weather}} replace Special:Whatlinkshere/Average and record temperatures? Thanks, Maxim(talk) 02:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Fixed the last few. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 06:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

K. Banerjee Center of Atmospheric and Ocean Studies at AfD

FYI this article is at AfD, discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/K. Banerjee Center of Atmospheric and Ocean Studies. Banjeboi 08:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup

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"Standard height" in List of Category 5 Atlantic hurricanes??

List of Category 5 Atlantic hurricanes contains an odd and confusing reference to "standard height" when measuring windspeeds. I think that this phrase belongs in the sentence following the one where it appears, but am not sure. Can somebody please take a look? Thanks. -- 201.17.36.246 (talk) 10:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

This might be more appropriate on the article in question's talk page, as it does not concern the whole WikiProject. Cheers, IceUnshattered [ t ] 19:19, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

GA Sweeps Reassessesment of Gulf Stream

Just a note to let the project know that Gulf Stream has been placed on hold following its GA Sweeps Review, which can be found here. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 19:54, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Monsoon needs additional cites

Monsoon looks pretty good (as far as I can tell), but contains some statements that need cites. -- 201.53.7.16 (talk) 17:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

That's an understatement. I've been occasionally adding to the citations, but it's unrewarding work. Anyone else who wishes to help out, feel free. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Meteorology

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Storm train

User: Bongomatic, has tagged the article I created, storm train, for deletion twice. The first time it was tagged, User: Runningonbrains said that the deletion tag was not appropriate for that article, and removed it. So Bongomatic decides to make an attempt to start an edit war by re-adding the deletion tag. Could someone help me with this? Should it really be deleted? Should I revise it? Please also look at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Storm_train -- IRP ☎ 19:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

If you would like to reply to this message, please reply here, and leave a notice on my talk page. -- IRP ☎ 19:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

looking for an image

Do you have an image of the earth (not flattened down on a map), where some wind velocities are shown? It does not matter whether it is a schematic map or a real photo. For example something like the one at the right, but for the whole earth (or at least one half that you see from one side). Thanks, Jakob.scholbach (talk) 21:29, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Noctilucent cloud up for GA

Hi everyone,

over the last few days I have done a lot of work on the Noctilucent cloud article, greatly expanding it and taking it from a Start class article to one that I think is at least a B. I think it can be made even better, although I've reached the limit of what I can do on my own.

I would appreciate opinions on what further improvements can be made, hopefully to bring it up to GA standard.

Thanks, Reyk YO! 01:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

  • After some helpful suggestions and improvements, this article is now nominated at WP:GA. Cheers, Reyk YO! 07:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Upper tropospheric cyclonic vortex

Hi all. Could somebody expand this and improve it to give it a balanced encyclopedic account. P.S> I started an article on James C. Sadler. Perhaps someone has some reference material to expand it too. Thanks Count Blofeld 22:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Diurnal temperature variation

Hi, I tagged Diurnal temperature variation with {{Meteorology|class=Stub|importance=high}}. I was surprised to find it so stubbish, and then even more surprised to see it wasn't part of the Meteorology wikiproject. It should be. I've been bold and tagged it as high-importance; but I don't know if this is in correspondence with guidelines at this wikiproject, maybe it's Mid-Importance. When I find the time I will write some more on this article, it could at least be Start-class. --Gerrit CUTEDH 08:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Another North American Storm Complex

The current storm appears to be article-worthy at first blush. More than a dozen tornadoes, as well as an extremely unusual southern snow and a possible historic ice storm in the northeast. Following convention, I think a name similar to 2008 North American storm complex should be used, unless some agency comes up with another name for it. I'm going to start gathering sources, but I want to see if anyone else had any input.-RunningOnBrains 15:35, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Looking for ideas: rainbands

This article was upgraded from a short stub into a C class article over the last few days. A significant effort has been made to make the article understandable to non-scientists...but I'm beginning to wonder if I need to be more technical. What do you all think is needed to improve the article prior to submitting it for GA? Thegreatdr (talk) 01:21, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Proposal to make tropical rain belt a redirect to monsoon trough

It appears the article tries to tackle the topic in a less developed way than the monsoon trough article, which is a GA. I propose this article be cleaned out and made into a redirect for monsoon trough. Opinions? I'll wait either a month, or for 5-10 responses (whichever occurs first), for feedback before doing anything with the article. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Gulf stream

Gulf Stream has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Articles are typically reviewed for one week. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. Richerman (talk) 14:10, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

2000–2001 fires in the Western United States

2000–2001 fires in the Western United States is a completely uncited/orphaned article that needs rescue or merger. Can you guys do it? Rich Farmbrough, 09:20 20 January 2009 (UTC).

Plea for wet season review

It's about to make the list of longest lived articles on GAN without a review (it was nominated in December). Any help would be appreciated, even if it were an informal review on its talk page. Thegreatdr (talk) 17:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

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I thought this WikiProject might be interested. Ping me with any specific queries or leave them on the page linked to above. Thanks! - Jarry1250 (t, c) 22:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

The Deniers

I am not really able to devote much time to climate change topics, but I note that edits are being made to the article on The Deniers, by Lawrence Solomon, that appear to be to be broadly promotional in nature. The status of critical and favorable reviewers alike is being obfuscated, and one entire section read like a book blurb, consisting solely of a large block quote from the author. The article would benefit from a little attention that I myself cannot afford to devote to it. --TS 18:50, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Restructuring of the project page

I was bold and reorganized the names (including moving Hurricanehink to inactive) and removed the comments we all originally placed on the main project page. If there is a swell of disapproval, it can be reverted to its former state easy enough. The new look is cleaner, similar to the TC project, and this change shortened the page. Thegreatdr (talk) 01:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

A-Class assessment

While the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment seems to be going nowhere fast, I figured I'd bring it up here. I've always really wanted an A-Class assessment for our project, but I was never convinced (and still am not) that we have enough manpower to maintain a functioning WikiProject assessment. It was mentioned here that projects could team up to make it work, with ours used as an example in fact.

In my view, we could make a functional Assessment system (A-class, or A and B class) here—to serve the needs of the Meteorology, Severe weather, and Non-tropical storms—with the current combined number of editors we have now. However, an easier way to make this work would be to drop a line over at WikiProject Tropical cyclones, who have been doing this successfully for a while (see their Assessment page), and ask if we can piggy-back on their assessment for a while, at least until we get our bearings (I would of course help out there in turn, as I'm sure some of you would).

What does everyone think?-RunningOnBrains 08:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

It might actually help contributions to this general project. I like the idea. User:Thegreatdr 17:26, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
By the way, we already have an assessment page set up, but it has never been active. I have posted a draft proposal there, but it is almost completely based on the tropical cyclones project, and I'd like our assessment page to reflect our needs as a project. So fire away with the comments! -RunningOnBrains 02:10, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Seems like a good idea to me. All three projects are pretty quiet nowadays, so it'd be good to have a collaborative assessment system. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 02:49, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I also think it's a good idea to bring together the three projects into one. Mbrstooge (talk) 02:55, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Me three (or four). It would be nice to set up an ACR (or ACA) for the projects. Cyclonebiskit 02:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I say it is a great idea! Even though I am not good at assessment (I tend to focus on keeping things current). CrazyC83 (talk) 03:06, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I think it's a good idea as well. I haven't been very active lately, but I feel that I'm pretty good at assessment and I can try to see what I can do. Combining the projects seems like a great idea. That would help a lot with organization. bob rulz (talk) 05:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Whatever you think is best, you should do. I'll back ya and help you with whatever you decide upon. RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 06:33, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
seems like a great idea!--Bhockey10 (talk) 07:04, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Good move. These fields are in fact quite outdated. I have quite a lot of interest in these subjects and can help with facts and figures, including wiki-formatting. But unfortunately, i am quite busy in real life till i finish a certain work. But do feel free to ask me if you need any sort of help. I'll be popping in and out at times to see what i can do... Have a nice day. Rehman (talk) 07:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't we include the Tropical Cyclones one as well??? User:Itfc+canes=me Talk Sign me! Its good to be back! 18:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like a great idea. I'd be willing to participate, though I'd need a little coaching/guidance in article assessment; it's not really something I've done before. Inferno, Lord of Penguins 17:08, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't see any issues on grouping the three together (perhaps also the Tropical systems part as well). As for myself as doing assessment - maybe only for lower ranks but not higher then that since I risk of giving higher grades that suppose and also I'm not the greatest in terms of WP:MOS and grammar.JForget 02:33, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Further explanation

I think a few people misunderstand what I'm trying to start up here (granted, I really didn't explain myself very well).

Some WikiProjects, especially larger ones like WikiProject Tropical cyclones, have a system where articles can be rated Start-Stub-C-B by anyone, but in order for an article to become A-class (and before it can go on to featured article candidacy), it must be checked by members of the project to ensure that it satisfies project standards such as depth, format, infoboxes, and accuracy (among others). I'm proposing that we either start our own (created but not active yet here) or piggyback on the Tropical Cyclone project's assessment page (here). From what I gather above though, there is enough interest that we should be able to strike out on our own.-RunningOnBrains 18:22, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

  • If striking out on our own doesn't have enough participation, I'd be supportive of asking WikiProject Tropical cyclones if Meteorology, Severe weather, and Non-tropical storms could piggy-back with it to establish an Assessment program. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:31, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
    • The problem is, if they were all lumped together, it would be under this project, not the others, because this is the parent project. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
      • I wouldn't see a problem with that. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 22:09, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
        • As long as it encouraged participation within the general met project, it would work out fine. The general met project has been traditionally less active than the severe weather and tropical cyclone projects. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
          • If this encourages more assessment, I support the idea. I haven't done much article assessment myself but could take a look at it. ~AH1(TCU) 00:01, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the editorial team is weak and doesn't do anything. It is time we make our own functional assessments and decide for ourselves! Showtime2009 (talk) 15:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok then, it's settled

It seems clear to me that there is definite interest in this system. I will be changing around stuff at our assessment page to set up the stuff I'd like us to do, I invite everyone to comment there as they please. Here is a basic outline of what I will be setting up:

  1. A-class review
  2. Assessment requests
  3. Re-assessment requests

"A-class review" would be a Wikiproject review to make sure an article is ready for featured article candidacy. An A-class review would involve ideally 3 or more editors coming to consensus whether an article should be passed on to FAC, and thus given an A-class rating or not.

"Assessment requests" would be for articles which have a Wikiproject banner but are missing a class and/or importance assessment, or where an editor wants a second opinion on his assessment. "Re-assessment requests" would be akin to Good article reassessment or Featured article review, where we would try to improve GA-, A-, and FA-class articles which have slipped in quality, or, if they are too far gone to easily fix, demote them.

I will not be able to start this up for about two weeks; I have mid-terms and I will be visiting a graduate school. After then, however, I plan on throwing my full weight behind this.-RunningOnBrains 21:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

That sounds mostly okay, but we at WP:WPTC/A have noticed that what you're trying to solve with the re-assessment requests section is best done informally, as it doesn't need the full bureaucracy of ACR.
That said, what's the plan with respect to WP:WPTC/A? Is it being sent here as well? Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 00:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group

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Not everything is metereology related

A dyke is not limited to uses that are associated with metereology. There are dykes to ensure that a certain water level is maintained while this is not to be associated with protecting land on the other side of the dyke. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 11:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

No, it's not. Therefore, it can be in multiple projects. Thegreatdr (talk) 15:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
It's great how progressive society has gotten that dykes can have important jobs such as water level maintenance and land protection :-D -RunningOnBrains 19:22, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
It's funny, that's the first thing that came to mind... but why is this discussion on this talk page? Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 01:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

1998 Comfrey – St. Peter tornado outbreak

This is up for FAC if anyone feels the need to comment. Thanks! WxGopher (talk) 20:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

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Wind and Westerlies up for GAN

In a continuing effort to improve basic articles within the meteorology project, wind is undergoing a significant upgrade in content, format, and inline reference inclusion. Check it out and, if you see any significant omissions, comment either here or on the main talk page for wind. Thanks for whatever comments you can provide. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:08, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Wind is now up for GA. In a related note, Westerlies is now undergoing a significant upgrade. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Westerlies is close to becoming one of the oldest non-reviewed GAN candidates, since it was nominated 5 weeks ago. Help here would be appricated. Thegreatdr (talk) 15:02, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Peer review and FAC

Wind has been submitted for peer review in preparation for FAC. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Wind has been submitted for FAC. Oy. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Wind is now an FA. Thanks for your help. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:00, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Weather Stick

Dampness causes wood to twist or warp. The wood used to construct a weather stick is from a tree whose branches differ in density between the top and bottom of the branch. Wood, as the product of a living organism, is made of cells. In green wood, these cells are filled with liquid. In dry wood, however, the cells have lost their moisture, shrunk, and left air pockets between them, the reason why a dry piece of wood is much lighter than a green or a waterlogged piece. Differential swelling is what causes the branch to bend - under certain conditions, such as a change in relative humidity, the top of the branch will swell to a different degree than the bottom, forcing the branch to bend in an arc with the less swollen part of the branch on the inside of the arc.

Excuse my french, but that is the biggest load of shit that I have ever heard. One thing that the article fails to mention is that the fir trees branches move up and down with the weather while it is living as well. AKA before it has dried out AKA 100% humidity. The earlier part about the branches reacting to humidity is fine. Its a controlled study, where it was in fact reacting to humidity. I just hate this hearsay stuff where it claims humidity as the main factor. The study mentioned above the article did not equate the way the stick moved to humidity levels. It said "Don Ross, a New England researcher, has found that, in a controlled environment test, weather sticks show a strong response to relative humidity."This does not even mean that 50% of the reaction could be humidity. For all we know the humidity just allows it to react to something else, as far as this study is concerned. & that does not really say a lot. I don't see the study doing a comparative analysis where the living branch is subjected to more humidity..... wait..... 100% is the highest. Oah yea. For got that.

Ok. I know I was ranting a bit, but really guys.

Knightt (talk) 20:18, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

For the record, that was written in 2004, a full two years before this project got started. </excuses> Honestly, traditional weather instrumentation is a little out of my realm of interest, but I'll take a crack at it.-RunningOnBrains 01:04, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Convective available potential energy / Convective instability

Hello

Two articles in WikiProject Meteorology—Convective instability and Convective available potential energy were merged. Now there is a discussion as to whether it is appropriate to have the merged article recreated to describe the phenomenon in less technical specificity and in a manner appropriate to at least one class of interested readers. If you care, could you please review Talk:Convective instability#Fork?

Thanks, Bongomatic 00:52, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Climate

I noticed that Wikipedia:WikiProject Climate appears dead. Perhaps it should be merged here, and the purview of this project be expanded? 76.66.202.139 (talk) 15:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd agree to that. –Juliancolton | Talk 15:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

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Strange controversy

At talk:List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming, user:KimDabelsteinPetersen is insisting that the minute a person dies, he or she must be removed from this list, since dead people have no opinions. Michael Hardy (talk) 20:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

New cloud formation

"Bid to classify cloud formation". Is asperatus worthy of an article? Jolly Ω Janner 15:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Not unless some official organization recognizes it. Why is BBC covering this? Some guy said he wants to classify a new type of cloud...seems kind of weird. To me, a different shape does not a different cloud make. -RunningOnBrains(talk page) 19:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Micheal Fisher was commenting on it. That's probably why the BBC were intested. If the Met Office were to give their support and apply for it, would it be notable enough? It said it'll take years before it would be recognised anyway... Jolly Ω Janner 19:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure there is an official process for approving new cloud names. I suppose if Met Office (or any other official agency like WMO) recognizes it, or even officially says something like "We're considering it", it could get an article. -RunningOnBrains(talk page) 19:53, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Sweeeet. I'll keep tabs on the story. Cheers, Jolly Ω Janner 19:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
That might be an interesting story for Wikinews, though. –Juliancolton | Talk 20:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
It appears someone has been WP:BOLD and created the article. I have no problem with letting it stay for now, as it appears well-sourced. -RunningOnBrains(talk page) 20:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
It lacks any scientific information. E.g. how it was formed. I'm sure there are few reliable sources around giving various theories for its information, rather than waiting for the official data to be released, which could take ages. Jolly Ω Janner 20:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

For over a century there has been an international clouds committee that deals with this sort of thing. See Cloud atlas. --Una Smith (talk) 18:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Tornado myths

Would someone be willing to write a comprehensive lead section for Tornado myths? I've put it up for its second GAN, and one concern at its first GAN was the short lead section, but I'm just way too burnt out from staring at this article for a couple years to make it. Thanks in advance. -RunningOnBrains(talk page) 07:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikinews weather

There is a discussion on the wikinews mailing list about setting up bots or other software agents to track weather conditions. The intent is to have quite a high level of detail to present weather conditions as news. Obviously, if you maintain a historical record of the data there are other uses for the data - some of which may benefit Wikipedia.

We'd welcome any and all input on this, particularly on the presentation of the data and what should be stored. --Brian McNeil /talk 13:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Geomagnetic storm → Geomagnetic solar storm

A WP:RM requested move has been filed to rename Geomagnetic storm → Geomagnetic solar storm

70.29.208.69 (talk) 04:07, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Cloud Atlas

An article is needed about cloud atlases. See Cloud Atlas and Talk:Cloud Atlas (novel). --Una Smith (talk) 04:23, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. All that is needed to describe a cloud atlas is a dictionary definition, like the one already at Cloud atlas. Specific cloud atlases with their own articles can also be mentioned at that page; that's what a disambiguation page is for. -RunningOnBrains(talk page) 05:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I think the history of this type of atlas merits an encyclopedia article. --Una Smith (talk) 13:49, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
See International Cloud Atlas; an article about cloud atlases in general is in the works. However, on Talk:Cloud Atlas (novel) is an open request to move an article about a novel to Cloud Atlas, leaving Cloud atlas occupied by a disambiguation page. I think the disambiguation page should be at Cloud Atlas. --Una Smith (talk) 17:39, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
That sounds like a good compromise, provided Cloud atlas is a decently sourced article. I have no objections. -RunningOnBrains(talk page) 17:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
The cloud atlas article is at User:Una Smith/sandbox, pending closure of the requested move. Please weigh in on Talk:Cloud Atlas (novel). --Una Smith (talk) 17:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
The requested move has been closed, with no move. The requested move of the dab page is at Talk:Cloud atlas. --Una Smith (talk) 19:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Earthquake weather

I've just completed a long-proposed merge of earthquake cloud, earthquake light, and earthquake weather. This was by no means elegant, but more the work of a rather thoughtful bull in a china shop. I've removed plenty of Youtube refs, and basically shuffled the text into somewhat-congruent sections, but I'm starting to lose focus. Would anyone care to help edit? It's almost impossible to make an edit that does not improve the article. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 21:48, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

My above merger has led to a Request for Comment. If you are so inclined, I request your comments. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 03:02, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

AFD for Yellowknife tornado

Yellowknife tornado is up for deletion, as I believe it to be a hoax and/or non-notable. Please weigh in at the discussion; if there are any sources at all showing notability I would love to have them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Runningonbrains (talk • contribs)

I don't think the tornado is a hoax, as one of the refs supports that one did occur. However, I think there is a bigger question here that needs to be discussed. Does having just a regular old tornado in a region that does not normally see them warrant an article? That's the only thing that would keep this around. It's not in the current notability criteria for them, but it seems like these pop up every once in a while. The 2008 Vancouver tornado article is another one like this. WxGopher (talk) 17:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Precipitation (meteorology) Peer Review

After recent updates to the snow article, it was discovered that the precipitation article had little mention of snow, which has since been rectified. To prepare for a possible FAC run, I've submitted the article to peer review, in case anything else is missing from, or at issue within, the article. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Hydrometeor is a redirect to Precipitation (meteorology), but the 1975 International Cloud Atlas defines hydrometeor among several other types of meteors. Please expand Precipitation (meteorology) to explain the origin and history of the term hydrometeor, and distinguish it from these other "meteors". (Meteor and Meteors are redirects to Meteoroid, and there are separate Meteor (disambiguation) and Meteors (disambiguation); maybe that should be changed.) --Una Smith (talk) 03:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I have just included a section explaining what a hydrometeor is, which is now fixed within the hydrometeor redirect. I'm looking for a good book-related source for a meteor definition, which should be easy to find. Thanks for the feedback. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:34, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Severe weather

This article is in need of some help. I have nominated it for the WP:ACID collaboration, but it needs support to make it through the nomination process. Also, despite it being the core article of a descendant wikiproject, I was somewhat surprised to find that the Severe weather article isn't even included in WP:METEO. --Ks0stm (T•C) 19:25, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Currently this article requires a copyedit. The coverage of the article is almost complete; this is perhaps one of the only major problems left that is needed to be solved. Would anyone be able, or know of anyone that is able to assist? KnowledgeRequire (talk) 20:41, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

New template for tagging NWS images

This has also been posted at WT:SEVERE

I'm not sure how often others have run into this problem, but images we upload from NWS damage surveys which state "Courtesy of" some party tend to get deleted as copyright violations. However, as this discussion at Commons confirmed for me, these images are in fact in Public Domain, and so can be used at Wikipedia. I have created {{PD-NWS}} to use on National Weather Service photos; we should use this to prevent confusion in the future. -RunningOnBrains(talk) 04:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Freezing rain vs. supercooled rain

I would like to discuss here about these terms. Thanks.--Carnby (talk) 23:39, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

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